Thanks for these stats Jim. I had been aware of the change over time of men being less and less the victims of intimate partner homicide. I had always assumed that the reason for this shift was that the very dangerous women were separated from the men due to domestic violence services. They were anointed victims and were given "a safe place" in the DV shelters which conveniently meant that they would not murder their spouse. If this assumption is true, which I think it is, then it seems obvious that if we want to have fewer women murdered we simply need to create the same domestic violence services for males who are victims of dv. The chart actually shows the increasing DV services for women over time as the murders of men decrease.
I couldn't think of any other explanation for why the murder of men would drop so drastically and the curve for the murder of women would be much less. Maybe I am missing something. Can you, or anyone think of an explanation that would make sense?
I tend to concur that the separation would be a factor. What do they do in same sex relationships? Do they seperate the men? The women? Or only the men and not the women?
We need stats to record the sex of the other partner. Also who was removed. Two females with one identifying as male.. is that same sex or hetrosexual?
These relationships need to be identified etc as well. Did the ‘male’ who died get identified as female? Lots of messy figuring to do…
It will be interesting to see where moves to remove the male from the home (as assumed perp) have an impact.
No, I'd say they are (mostly) the opposite. It's more like how children behave emotionally immaturely and are slaves to their emotions. This is why society tip-toes around them.
Think about what you're saying for a minute. Women are emotionally stronger because they have less compassion or empathy. That doesn't ring true at all. It aligns far more with dark tetrad behaviour. It's antisocial not prosocial.
Great article. I really like Tom’s explanation. Makes total sense. One thing I’ve noticed consistently is anytime I see stats of any form of criminality through decades like this, there’s always a drop around 1996-1999. Juvenile crime, property crime, almost all forms drop during that period. It is worth noting it could be the effect of the 1994 crime bill (written by Biden, signed by Clinton) that so many love to hate.
Thanks for these stats Jim. I had been aware of the change over time of men being less and less the victims of intimate partner homicide. I had always assumed that the reason for this shift was that the very dangerous women were separated from the men due to domestic violence services. They were anointed victims and were given "a safe place" in the DV shelters which conveniently meant that they would not murder their spouse. If this assumption is true, which I think it is, then it seems obvious that if we want to have fewer women murdered we simply need to create the same domestic violence services for males who are victims of dv. The chart actually shows the increasing DV services for women over time as the murders of men decrease.
This is an interesting idea, Tom. Thanks for sharing it.
I couldn't think of any other explanation for why the murder of men would drop so drastically and the curve for the murder of women would be much less. Maybe I am missing something. Can you, or anyone think of an explanation that would make sense?
I don't know what the explanation is. One thing to note is that even the FBI didn't put forward an explanation in their report from 2000.
jeez, seems like a pretty important question for them to answer. The group they were ignoring were the ones that became safer!
Well if you ignore a group ..., you probably stop counting or start mislabeling.
So that may be a good explanation as well.
I tend to concur that the separation would be a factor. What do they do in same sex relationships? Do they seperate the men? The women? Or only the men and not the women?
We need stats to record the sex of the other partner. Also who was removed. Two females with one identifying as male.. is that same sex or hetrosexual?
These relationships need to be identified etc as well. Did the ‘male’ who died get identified as female? Lots of messy figuring to do…
It will be interesting to see where moves to remove the male from the home (as assumed perp) have an impact.
Men are physically stronger, so they can avoid harm.
Social awareness of female red flags in relationships (red pill et al. "movements").
I wonder how many stopped reporting due to being arrested or having no prosecutions/action.
Nevertheless, it is a great post and a solid set of stats 🔥💙
Interesting. Would you agree that women are emotionally stronger than men so they can inflict greater emotional pain?
No, I'd say they are (mostly) the opposite. It's more like how children behave emotionally immaturely and are slaves to their emotions. This is why society tip-toes around them.
Think about what you're saying for a minute. Women are emotionally stronger because they have less compassion or empathy. That doesn't ring true at all. It aligns far more with dark tetrad behaviour. It's antisocial not prosocial.
Interesting data. Now the obvious question - why did the number of male victims decline so much more than the number of female victims?
Great article. I really like Tom’s explanation. Makes total sense. One thing I’ve noticed consistently is anytime I see stats of any form of criminality through decades like this, there’s always a drop around 1996-1999. Juvenile crime, property crime, almost all forms drop during that period. It is worth noting it could be the effect of the 1994 crime bill (written by Biden, signed by Clinton) that so many love to hate.
Thanks for sharing that observation.
Could it be, as Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner speculated in "Freakonomics" that this was a result of Roe vs Wade in 1973?
Have you looked at this thread from Lyman Stone? Based on it, it doesn't look like the rate for men and women was that different in 2021: https://x.com/lymanstoneky/status/1782481181503602691
Thanks for sharing. I wasn't aware of the thread.
This is insane - who else thought it would be 20 to 1?!
The females just aren't charged nearly as often as males
So? How about “all homicide”.
Men are twice as likely to be killed as women are.
Thats why statistics like these are utterly dishonest.
You can depict anything you want with sufficient exclusion.
Men are far more likely to die violently than women.
Older men are far more likely to die by suicide than any other group, not “trans youth”.
You don’t see men’s shelters or men’s suicide hotlines.
I previously published data on all homicides here:
https://jameslnuzzo.substack.com/p/homicide-victims-in-the-united-states